They "Try and Thrawrt Attempts at Expanding the State, Period."

Republican Chuck Hagel just does not understand his party's role in this whole democratic process.

Via Think Progress

Former Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE), the chairman of the Atlantic Council, recently sat down for an interview with the Washington Diplomat. In the interview, the former senator touched on a variety of topics, including what he feels is the need for the United States to “unwind” from the war in Afghanistan. Towards the end of the interview, Hagel says that while he has “no plans to renounce his membership in the party,” he finds that the Republican Party of which he is a part is not “presenting any new alternatives, any new options, or any new thinking“:

“I don’t see them presenting any alternatives, any new options or any new thinking,” Hagel said. “If the Republicans get back in power, what are they going to do? There is no articulation. It’s just a ‘no no no, I’m against Obama because he’s a socialist and he’s taking America in the wrong direction.’ That’s certainly an opinion, but what about you, Mr. Republican? What would you do?”

In fact, leading Republicans like Sarah Palin, Bobby Jindal, and Peter King have proudly embraced the “no, no, no” agenda. Hagel told the interviewer that he remains confident that his party will once again rebuild itself. “The Republican Party will find a new center of gravity,” he said. “I think they’ll let this nonsense play out. It’s like a bad storm — it just has to go through.”

"Nonsense" is a pretty strong word, Chuck. Careful or you will soon find yourself purged.

(h/t to "J" for the most excellent title)


J said... / Sep 7, 2010, 3:49:00 PM  

“presenting any new alternatives, any new options, or any new thinking“

Said once again by your BFF Nate

"What was more striking in our examination was a Republican agenda that appeared in sharper relief than the Democratic one, and which was more readily contributing to their messages to voters on the campaign trail."

"Democrats, on the other hand, are having trouble articulating a clear set of policy goals"

nah nah nah poo poo

J said... / Sep 7, 2010, 3:54:00 PM  

And "They "Try and Thrawrt Attempts at Expanding the State, Period."

You know I was referring to conservatives, not Hagel. Obama was thinking about picking him for VP, that's all we need to know. Obama wouldn't think about picking...say...James Inhoffe or Tom Coburn or Bobby Jindal.

Codester said... / Sep 8, 2010, 3:43:00 AM  

Message? OK, I'll give ya that. Nate did too.
Dems are horrible at translating all their successful policies and proposals (ie PLAN). Nate listed a whole string of them. I honestly can't tell you why we're not hammering voters on the strengths of popular progress policies in lieu of regressive conservative ideas.

Good article. Glad you showed it to me, since I was talking about a genuine plan... not how well it was articulated. And what did he demonstrate as the Republican plan.. erm... I mean "well articulated message"?

"...Republicans do appear to have a message that is at least reasonably clear to voters, and reasonably consistent from one Congressional district to the next: pick us, and we’ll repeal health care, secure the border and reduce the size of government..."

How? That's the big thing that's missing... isn't it? Hell, anyone can make promises. But how? They've stumbled all over themselves to repeal HCR through the courts. And failed.
Are they gonna do it legislatively? Heard of the VETO pen, ever?

Secure the border... how? Trillions of dollars in fence and military spending? Finally gonna get serious about a national biometric ID? (HAH! The "no big govt intrusion in our lives" folks just love that one) What's the plan? Where is it?

Reduce the size of govt... HOW? They sure do start shifting from one foot to the other when Chris Matthews nails conservatives to the wall on what they might cut first. And it NEVER starts with the bloated defense budget and military contractor fraud, no. They go after seniors medicare and Soc Sec. Good luck with that my friend.

Hell, I'm almost hoping they do get into office in the two years leading up to 2012. Let's see what happens to the Dems "articulated message" when Obama is back on the ballot... and Americans get another taste of gridlock for 2yrs while they have no jobs OR unemployment insurance.

Codester said... / Sep 8, 2010, 4:02:00 AM  

Also... whether or not you consider Scarborough, Hagel, or Frum a conservative or not isn't the point. The point is... there is no Republican plan to move America forward, and they're are very good at articulating THAT message. No proposals to keep up with the rest of the world that's passing us by. To improve our lives or restore our global dignity.

The specific point of me choosing that title is you having said their only job is policy reversal and being the "Party of No". There ARE Republicans who know that position isn't sustainable forever. And even by your standard of an "agenda" those promises ring mighty hollow.

By the way... didn't Nate mention how popular this was... in that same article?


At least your quoting the serious journalism of the NYTimes now, and not some silly HotAir or RedState posts.

J said... / Sep 8, 2010, 12:14:00 PM  

"Heard of the VETO pen, ever?"

Sure, and you're right. All I want them to do is stop whatever crappy Obama proposals are coming down the pipe and have a few of their own ready in case this president loses in 2012.

"Finally gonna get serious about a national biometric ID?"

Most of the proposals I've seen since this became a big issue in 2006 involved building a fence, fining workers and things like that.

This was the plan from one of the most conservative members of the House,8599,1196991,00.html

And to your "gov't intrustion into our lives" line...immigration is actually something the federal government ought to be doing and doing well. The fact that we've gotten to a point where we have 10-20 million illegal aliens means the feds haven't been doing their job as they are constitutionally mandated to do so.

"They go after seniors medicare and Soc Sec. Good luck with that my friend."

So going after the biggest unfunded liabilities on the books is a bad thing? And I'll grant you that, yes, we need some defense cuts. We need to close down a few bases overseas.

J said... / Sep 8, 2010, 12:23:00 PM  

"The specific point of me choosing that title is you having said their only job is policy reversal and being the "Party of No"."

Yup, pretty much. The conservative movement and a large portion of the Republican party realizes the reality that human beings are imperfect and the institutions they create will be imperfect as well. I kind of shrug my shoulders when someone on the left claims that they just need more funding in order to get institution A or B working the way that they want it to.

"There ARE Republicans who know that position isn't sustainable forever."

those are moderates who take the NY Times' political op-eds seriously.

"To improve our lives or restore our global dignity"

9.6 unemployment and bowing to Saudi Kings. Nuff said

Codester said... / Sep 9, 2010, 4:24:00 AM  

I'm not even gonna degrade myself hauling out pictures of Bush holding hands and man-smooching, and Reagan and Nixon's pristine examples on how to bow deep (you know, as a sign of mutual respect?) or graphs with Reagan's unemployment figures (and worse polling numbers).

Besides you just lost the debate on this blog's topic...

J said...
"...and have a few of their own (proposals) ready..."

As I stated, there are none.

J said... / Sep 9, 2010, 11:19:00 AM  

There are a few, but they are never going to see the light of day (i.e, Paul Ryan's "Roadmap"). You said it yourself, the veto pen. Also, probably not a big enough majority to override vetoes. Which is why I'm wondering why the hell every moderate in the party is so obsessed with coming up with a some grand new idea in the first place.

This whole line of thinking -- "Where are your ideas for issue X" reminds me of the healthcare debate. It's not like Obama would sign a bill written by the Republican Study Committee. So with that reality, all Republicans have to do is oppose and embrace being skeptics.

J said... / Sep 30, 2010, 12:46:00 PM  

Funny, it's like as if someone was reading my comments here and then writing them up at national review

"This war has been fought over what defines American freedom. Are Americans freer when they can pursue their dreams without government interference? Or are they freer when the government ensures that all their needs are provided for?
The American conservative movement was founded to oppose the latter definition. Bill Buckley’s famous line from the initial issue of National Review said it all: Conservatives “stand[] athwart history, yelling Stop.” The conservative movement has always been a fusion of different groups, often differing among themselves with respect to where they want the country to go. But it has always been united on one immutable principle: Liberalism must be stopped."

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